Anyone up for Ryan's new loop? Actually seems like a pretty easy loop with only minimal hills.

PJ

I am good to go from Noon on, and I could be pursuaded for a differenct loop of about 2 hours or more.

It's only about 2200 vertical feet of climbing, and there are no sustained climbs over 18% grade. I know... a real disapointment, hardly compares to Sir Climbs-A-Lot. :D

Ryan

I'll be at Lovely's at noon. I'll be putting a few (20-30) miles in prior if anyone is interested.

MG

I didn't end up getting my mtb from Brian, so I'm in for some kind of road ride, but not interested in doing the same loop I just did on Fri. Ken is also in for a ride at noon.

We were thinking about doing the Pitcher Mountain loop Ken recently posted instead (64 miles, reverse direction, rt 10 to 31 to 9 to 123 to 10), anyone interested in doing that: [url]http://www.team-pinnacle.org/local-loops/loop.php?loopID=262®ion=9&sport=1[/url]?

Ken can't start until noon, but after that we are both good for a solid 4 hours.

Ryan

I should be able to handle that. Maybe come back Unity Springs road. I am not real fond of 10.

See you at Noon.

PJ

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of 10 either, so Unity road is definately an option on the way back.

See you at noon.

Ryan

I'll be there too

Few quick notes from the ride.

- Rt. 31 and 123 are good climbs. Rt. 31 seems to be uphill even on the downhill
- If Mark is riding a gold colored Cannondale, it is NOT going to be an easy ride
- Drink a lot of water on hot days. Seems like a no brainer, but try to drink enough when you have a stomach ache from the climbing and the heat.

-- Ken
 
"If you brake, you don't win." Racer Mario Cipollini

Not one of my finer rides, but it still was fun hanging with you guys.

The highlight coming home on route 10 was coming up out of Dodge Pond not feeling much better after doucing myself in the lake, and finding PJ on the side of road being serviced by a beautiful women with ice cold water, like an oasis in the desert, HOW DOES HE DO IT...

A couple thoughts about todays ride.

First, Mark's new bike is too fast. He has turned the entire Pinnacle GC on its head. Chris please take the bike back.

Second, I don't think Mark and I will ever sit in the sun waiting for you guys in Goshen again since I now know you were getting served ice water from people along the road and swimming in a pond.

It was a good 60+ mile ride today and Picture Mountain was a real challenge with the heat of today.

[quote:0a37951814]Mark's new bike is too fast. He has turned the entire Pinnacle GC on its head. Chris please take the bike back. [/quote:0a37951814]

Amen Brother!

My thanks goes to:

Gurney for ripping my legs off on the climbs, and always finding that extra gear to nip me on the town lines and KOM's.

Ryan's super long pull down 31, The best rest I got.

Dan's lead out on pitcher mountain, when I thought he was cooked and I finally got to drop the "light" guys, then they came storming back.

Ken's patience and he and Ryan's pulling me home cramped and all.

Lisa's ice cold water while I lay in a heap on the side of the road.

PJ

I had hoped to join you gentlemen today ... but it was not to be ... as we needed to head east to do some yardwork at my inlaws. Now I am especially disappointed that I did not make it, as it sounds like Mark is making the most of his new ride ... perhaps I should raise the price (he has not paid for it yet) :twisted:

I had noted on our last ride together that Mark (on his Trek) was going uphill very well these days ... and now it sounds like he is also finding some sprinting form on the six13 ... I cannot wait to see it!!!

I wonder if Mark can quantify how much of a difference he thinks the new bike makes. This is a very hard thing to do, but I would enjoy hearing his thoughts.

Chris

P.S. There is a new bike in my future for next next season ... so if any of you are tempted to try to *keep up with the Gurneys* by purchasing a two year old carbon fiber giant with dura-ace components and mavic ksyrium SL2 wheels ... I could be convinced to sell off the one I am riding now instead of keeping it as a spare (like I was doing with the Cannondale).

One more thing ... Mark is now running the gears that Jonathan Vaulters (sp?) says all the guys in the tour are running ... a 39-53 in the front and a 11-23 in the rear. So maybe that is also helping him feel his oats these days.

Chris said:
"perhaps I should raise the price (he has not paid for it yet)"

Chris I think the rest of the boys would agree with me that Mark would gladly pay you twice as much as you are asking for that bike. I think he would sell or maybe even trade his corvette for it.

[quote:0c9bd2b2f0="chrisnaimie"]P.S. There is a new bike in my future for next next season ... so if any of you are tempted to try to *keep up with the Gurneys* by purchasing a two year old carbon fiber giant with dura-ace components and mavic ksyrium SL2 wheels ... I could be convinced to sell off the one I am riding now instead of keeping it as a spare (like I was doing with the Cannondale).[/quote:0c9bd2b2f0]

I am interested in the bike, but not sure it will help me keep up with Gurney on the hills.


One other thing I forgot to mention about yesterday was my extremely high average HR. Even with the two rest stops at the stores, and being patient with PJ, my average HR was still 157. It was constantly between 180-186 for both climbs and in the 170's for most of the flats. I am guessing it was the heat. Did anyone else notice a higher than normal average HR yesterday??
 
"If you brake, you don't win." Racer Mario Cipollini

Overall average was about normal, however, considering we rested about 40 minutes of the entire ride it was probably high for me to, that didn't bother me nearly as much as after at PJ's, my HR never really came down, it stayed over 100 the entire 10 minutes we sat and talked at PJ's and that is very unusual for me. Normally my HR will drop much faster than it goes up and on a 10 minute + stop like that I would expect it to go down to low 90's if not 80's, but it stayed above 110 for a long time. I chalk that up to dehydration and heat.

I think it's probably about time I start looking into alternate fuel sources, plain Gatorade and GU just doesn't seem to be doing it for me on hot days, especially in combination with me trying to loose a few pounds.

I have noticed on long rides there comes a time when my body starts rejecting food and water, my stomach starts to fill up, and it gets very unhappy, and that is when the trouble starts. I know the best thing to do is keep drinking and eating through out a ride and I do that fairly consistently until I get to this point where I start feeling like it's not doing any good anymore, on each stroke my legs start jiggling my stomach, and if I keep eating and drinking, I know I will get sick, either way I'm no longer going to feel good and that sucks.

If I could figure out a way to get over this catch 22, I know I could ride a lot further, faster, and feel better doing it.

Chris do you have any advice for me?

Ryan

[quote:bae8476026="Rockboy"]I think it's probably about time I start looking into alternate fuel sources, plain Gatorade and GU just doesn't seem to be doing it for me on hot days, especially in combination with me trying to loose a few pounds.
[/quote:bae8476026]

I am trying to lose weight also, but when it comes to long rides I throw that out the window. If I know that I am going for a long ride, I eat a good amount of food the day before, the morning of, and during the ride. The last thing I want to have happen is a bad ride because I didn't eat enough. The amount of work your body does on a long ride is going to carry over the next few days during recovery. Any amount of extra food you eat in the day or two leading up to the ride is just going to give you more energy to have a better ride. This intern will probably have you losing more weight in the end also, because you were able to put in a bigger effort during the ride.

Just my $0.02
 
"If you brake, you don't win." Racer Mario Cipollini

Ken I updated my post. Yes I agree with better preperation will help, but my real problem is the rejection of food and water during a ride and I really have no idea what to do about that. If you can not drink and eat you will definately go downhill after that, the question is how do you prevent that from happening?

This might be a shot in the dark, but I think the best remedy for this is just experience. For me, the more hard rides I do, the better my stomach is with dealing with hard rides. I have learned to ride with a stomach ache and still eat and drink. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that what you have to do is different for each person. You may have to find some different type of food for the ride, something a little easier on your stomach maybe???

Look at that, I have given away $0.04 already today!!

-- Ken
 
"If you brake, you don't win." Racer Mario Cipollini