Who would be interested in doing another Team Pinnacle stage race this year?? Sounds like some fun, FREE competition for the summer. Great during these economic times.

-- Ken Wiley
 
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yep. Maybe we can have a varied Wednesday night group ride. Some mountain some road. I really enjoyed the drop group rides, and the tactics. Plus we have to keep Dan in shape for his road races.

Suggestions of all the local loops....loverin, springfield loop, lake loop, 2008 pinnacle lap, Moody lap, Coit climb.


PJ

Keep us in the loop at the shop... I'm sure that we can round up a few folks to "race" and/or help out... Sounds like fun! Add in a TT and you might have something there!
 
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I always love the Rt. 10 TT. Lear Hill is also a good loop.

For climbing, we could do the Mt. Sunapee climb again. Also, something we haven't done before is the 2nd NH Turnpike climb from Claremont into Unity.

-- Ken
 
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no doubt, the time trial is for sure in from Grantham back to Newport. Short and sweet. Another one could be the Oak street loop as a circuit race, 3 laps. There would be attacks on the hills, but fast downhills to regroup. could be fun, unless is just you and me, we will need a few more bodies.

Claremont Crew will come over to play, that would be great.

P

better yet, anyone who is in, can pick their ride/loop.

PJ

I want to play too. When we did this a couple years ago it was a blast. I am in with any thing except running.

I imagine I would be involved in the games, missed the last round due to injury. Ryan has already created the loop I would like to submit, Sir-Climbs-Alot. :twisted:
 
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That's harsh Brian!

If we do that we better include a marathon trail run too.

FYI, I ran some of the trails yesterday. Single track is about good for running. Summer St & Double Track from my house still has a ways to go.

Ryan

I vote for Sir-Climbs-A-Lot. Nice painful day in the saddle.

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If we include sir climbs alot, I will take the 30 second penalty, I'd rather hand rake the whole pinnacle trail system.

We are still coming up with a rule about time trial bikes and how we can shuttle Dan's back and forth.

PJ

If you are coming up with rules how about time bonus of 5 seconds for each year of age above 40 years old for all events.

There are formulas out there that start at age 35, everyone under 35 is considered to be in the open class.

There are Age Graded calcutors which could be adapted for cycling.

http://www.pinebeltpacers.org/AgeGrade/newwava.html

Dan, for your age on the Springfield loop (30 miles) you'd get about -10 minute bonus.

10 Minutes... now, now, we all know that is bogus.

Where's my, "I'm out of shape bonus!" How bout my "I'm bald" bonus or what about my "I'm fat and hairy" bonus.

If we start giving these OLD guys an age bonus what is their incentive to compete, they wouldn't have to train as hard to win and before you know it they would be wasting away in their orthopedic beds, and I don't want to be responsible for that.

I say any human powered non assisted bike goes but you have to own it. No borrowing bikes from the shop, from pros with sponsors, or anyone else. You own it, you get to ride it. Dan wants to build himself a time trial bike, I?ll give him that advantage.

I propose a points system like the WNHTRS would be better than total time, with stages like Sir-Climbs-Alot being double points, then if you want to skip stages you can but you will get significantly penalized for it. I don't like the free bees idea with slowest time plus 30 seconds that's not fair to the others that actually complete disproportionately hard stages like Sir-Climbs-Alot. Also this one stage could totally crush you for the whole series on total time. Plus on shorter stages like the downhills its impossible to make up serious time loses from the longer stages. I think points are better all around. You skip a stage you lose those points, you win a stage you get a real benefit despite what that stage is.

I also propose the mtb downhill to be from say the top of Coit to the High School, fastest time wins, you pick the route. This may hurt me, but it makes it more interesting.

That's all I have for now.

Ryan

Stage races should be all about total time. With different types of stages and time bonuses for certain disciplines everyone has an opportunity.

Maybe we could eliminate time bonuses for stage wins, b/c they will already have a time advantage? Or have larger time bonuses for sprints/mountain tops, along each stage, this will allow a good effort made during a stage to be rewarded in the end.

thoughts?

I don't predict I will win any stages, unless there is a chicken wing stage.

I like the overall time, basically because your time gets put in the system and you see how far back you are from the leaders, and it encourages the "second" groups to work together for the best time, rather than fight for the sprint finish.


Thinking of time bonuses, well you get one if you win the time trial, the bonus is: You are the fastest and have the fastest time. These guys don't need time bonuses, the back of the packers do.

We can put in a scoring system based on the number of riders that compete and complete the stage. Use the reverse order of # of riders. If 10 guys do the time trial on route 10. 1st place gets 10 points, 2nd Nine and down the line. We can give prizes based on points classification and overall time.

Remember if you miss a stage and you want to complete the whole stage race, you get penalty seconds added onto your time from the slowest rider of the stage you miss. I understand Ryan's point, but I am sure some guys will miss a stage and still want to have a shot at overall time or at least still play in the game, If I don't have a time, I can't keep going on.

I agree about top of Coit down the High School, pick your own route. "chinese Downhill" style, with the slowest riders going first. Fast guys can pass on the double track and pick the fastest way to the High School.

What's this business of even talking about "sir climbs alot". I am not sure I have 8-10 hours to give to a stage. I will take the penalty on that one. Even if it is more than 30 seconds. I think we should give guys a couple of weeks to complete a stage, if they don't make it on the group ride day. They will lose time being on their own, anyway. We can make the Penalty harsher for missing a stage to reward those who made it. Let's say 2:00 on road stages......and 1 minute on Mtn stages added to the slowest time.

Old guys get nothing, as Ryan said. They are at a stage in their life where they can buy their fitness through lighter components, and non-babysitter training time. It costs me $10 bucks an hour to ride my bike. If I hire a babysitter I pay her. If my wife is home she spends that per hour on ebay.

I can go for a longer "double points" stage, but it should doable on a Wednesday night......40-50 miles.

I do think a points system and time system will be good. I can envision a scenario where a second group works hard to limit their time losses, then tries dropping each other looking for an extra ppoints based on their place.

Tim, Does this mean you are in?

PJ

I like your idea PJ.

If you miss a stage, you get the slowest time plus a penalty. The last time we did this, people dropped off the competition because they missed a stage for one reason or another. There were only a couple left vying for the overall at the end of the whole thing.

Make the time period longer for completing a stage, because some weeks people just can't make it out there, especially those with children.

Realistically, Sir-Climbs-Alot would take me out for awhile, so I'd probably skip it unless that was only thing I had planned for a month.

Start the stages early, like in May or June, so it can be worked around other race events.

Dana

Ok, it was not my intension to do away with keeping track of times, of course we will have the times too, but points would determine your series standing.

I think total time can work IF you have to complete every stage and we are careful about one stage verses another stage completion times being similar or at least using a multiplier on the short stages to bring the stages all up to a reasonable time length.

I still believe when you are dealing with a variety of disaplines, great length of time disparities in completing a stage (10 hours for Sir-Climbs-Alot, 5 seconds for a 50 yard dash), and long time intervals between stages (starting in May, finishing in September?), that a point system is better in determining overall placement because it evens the playing field and makes it easier to score. Say you wanted to introduce a power lifting stage, rather than debate a system for equating to time how much you can lift, a points system makes it easy to add any type of stage you want. Plus if it takes you an hour longer to complete a stage like Sir-Climbs-Alot, YOU ARE out of the running if we are scoring by total time, how you going to make that up with a minute here or a minute there. Besides, I don't think there is a single one of us that would dog a stage, then sprint to the finish, it's just not in our DNA.

Points even the playing field and are far easier to score than all these special bonuses.

Ok, I have to get back to work and pout, as I already know I'm going to loose this arguement... :oops:


Ryan

I do agree that missing a stage ought to be an option, as we want as many in to the end as we can.

Look at the WNHTRS series points: [url]http://www.wnhtrs.com/index.php?nav=25&action=viewstandings&year=2008[/url]

Some of the winners only completed 4 of 5 races and many high placements completed 4 or less of 5.

Ryan,

I guess I missed your "point" in the earlier post. It must be because I'm bald, hairy and my uncomfortable orthopedic bed keeps me awake at night, so I'm a little fuzzy headed. :twisted:

Points would make it a closer competition for the overall. After all I think we're trying to keep everyone involved in it as much as possible throughout the stages. The closer we are to moving someone ahead us in points down the list, the better the competition. I vote for the points system with PJ's idea that if you miss a stage you are put at the end of the points list. So if I miss, Sir-Climbs-Alot and there 10 of us in the overall stage competition, I would get 10 points or 1 point (which ever way the points are going). Although I won all the rest of the stages. :lol:

Dana

This is all just too much fun and entertainment reading you guys. I plan on dropping chicken wings along the road as this old guy with no bonus points light gear with no baby sitter waiting passes PJ. Might even throw out a few cookies too. What a decision he'll have cookies and chicken wings or penalty of 30 sec. decisions decisions. Maybe if he brings a few cookies back for the sitter he'll get a discount on the next stage sitting job.

ok, that was laugh out loud funny.......I really laughed out loud. I can't even write now. I have nothing to say.

Dana & Dan get the last words... I concede.

I get easily confused with points, bonuses, handicaps, wings and cookies. But I remember we had a blast last time we did this. I suggest:

1. Lowest combined ET wins.
2. Bragging rights for official and unofficial subcategories (TT's, KOM,) encouraged.
3. If you miss a stage, you have the the entire stage race to make it up, plus a couple of weeks after the last stage. (A self-indulgent rule - I do a lot of travelling these days.) But all stages must be completed, or no time entered.
4. You can ride what you own, borrow, beg or steal, as long as it's human powered by you. It's not about the bike; it's all about the motor.
5. Our previous race favored short, fast stages. I would repeat the same stages, but we need an endurance stage. Time differences in Sir Climbsalot would overwhelm the smaller time differences of the shorter stages. I think a road bike stage of 40-60 miles, or a two hour +/- MTB stage would balance out differing abilities reasonably well.

We all know we'll have more fun if we complete the stage with the group on the designated night, but there are times when it just won't work. Like when Helen doesn't make enough cookies, or the babysitter eats all the wings.

Cheers,

MG

I agree you should have the entire stage race plus a couple weeks to complete the series.

I was only joking about Sir-Climbs-Alot. Happy to see it has created so much strife though, this has been a fun read. For serious consideration, how about Job's Creek for the prologue instead of Loverin?
 
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I still want to ride Sir-Climbs-a-lot sometime this year with atleast one other person.

-- Ken
 
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Check it out........9 stages of pure bliss.

APNewportNH- Team Pinnacle has announced a 9 stage race that combines road and mountain bike disciplines, uphill and downhill challenges, circuit races and even a chinese downhill.


You have all season to complete the stages, but a group ride will happen on the date prescribed. If you miss a ride or have a crappy time don't post it yet as I think it cannot be changed once entered on a stage race. Ryan may be able to clarify this.

Prologue - 3.9 rolling hill time trial on Jobs Creek
Stage 1- Lake Sunapee Loop with KOM points cardiac hill 3,2,1
Stage 2- Pinnacle race course 1 lap.
Stage 3- The Springfield Loop
Stage 4- Coit Climb
Stage 5 Coit Downhill 'Chinese style' 3,2,1 points fastest time
Stage 6- Oak Street circuit race 3,2,1 points on first lap
Stage 7- Loverin Hill Climb
Stage 8- route 10 sprint 3,2,1 points on fastest TT
Stage 9- Newport 50 miler endurance finale.

You are competing for overall time and stage points. Each stage you recieve points based on number of entries. 10 guys 10 points for the winner and 1 point for last place. If there is 7 entries well then, 7 points. Extra bonus points awarded above. 1 hill climb, 1 downhill, 1 timetrial and 1 sprint.

We can adjust points based on others thoughts: maybe 5 points down to 1 on the bonuses?

thoughts adjustments?

PJ

PJ-
I am in, this sounds like fun and is a great idea!
Should we predetermine the points structure so that the points aren't constantly shifting as more entries are added upon completion of each stage?
I found a points breakdown chart we could migh use for a guideline?

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/nrc/NRCPoints.pdf

When do we start?
Will a time/points sheet be posted here for entering time?

Ken-
I would like to ride Sir Climbs alot with you and whoever else wants to join sometime this year too.


Tim


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Points should be pre determined and independent of the number of riders, like the WNHTRS point system. I would go with something like that, perhaps just scale back the numbers.

Ryan

What say the masses......?

Well they would/could technically shift anyway, if someone misses a night, then gets a top placing time, someone gets bumped down. I think that will be the nature of the beast.

what about

taking USA cycling #'s

1. 3
2. 2.75
3. 2.5
4. 2.25
5. 2
6. 1.75
7. 1.5
8. 1.25
9. 1.16
10. 1.09
11. 1
12. .9
13. .8
14 .7

Probably won't get anymore than that.

then go top 6 in the bonus rounds tt, kom, downhill, sprint

1. 3
2. 2.5
3. 2
4. 1.5
5. 1
6. .5

Keeps the points tight together so it doesn't feel like a blowout, and will make the bonus points awfully important.

This will make me feel good if I get 11th on teh loverin hill climb, I would only be down by 2 points.

PJ

I will be competing for the yellow, let you guys can squable over the point and KOM competitions.
 
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I'll be going for best young rider.

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Check it out........9 stages of pure bliss.

APNewportNH- Team Pinnacle has announced a 9 stage race that combines road and mountain bike disciplines, uphill and downhill challenges, circuit races and even a chinese downhill.


You have all season to complete the stages, but a group ride will happen on the date prescribed. If you miss a ride or have a crappy time don't post it yet as I think it cannot be changed once entered on a stage race. Ryan may be able to clarify this.

Prologue - 3.9 rolling hill time trial on Jobs Creek
Stage 1- Lake Sunapee Loop with KOM points cardiac hill 3,2,1
Stage 2- Pinnacle race course 1 lap.
Stage 3- The Springfield Loop
Stage 4- Coit Climb
Stage 5 Coit Downhill 'Chinese style' 3,2,1 points fastest time
Stage 6- Oak Street circuit race 3,2,1 points on first lap
Stage 7- Loverin Hill Climb
Stage 8- route 10 sprint 3,2,1 points on fastest TT
Stage 9- Newport 50 miler endurance finale.

You are competing for overall time and stage points. Each stage you recieve points based on number of entries. 10 guys 10 points for the winner and 1 point for last place. If there is 7 entries well then, 7 points. Extra bonus points awarded above. 1 hill climb, 1 downhill, 1 timetrial and 1 sprint.

We can adjust points based on others thoughts: maybe 5 points down to 1 on the bonuses?

thoughts adjustments?

PJ[/quote:27491418f9]

I'm very much interested in joining in here... one question though... are stages 4 & 5 one single stage or 2 separate stages? This will change the bike I show up w/ drastically...

Whatever you guys decide for a points or cum. time (I'm down for points like PJ) I'm down with. When does the debauchery start?
 
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I am thinking stage 4 and 5 would be together same day, as we have to climb up there anyway. The downhill off coit would suit a downhill bike, but then a fairly long 1/2 mile would be fast slightly uphill double track, then depending on "your route of choice" North Boundary maybe quicker on a downhill bike..... The good thing is you can come back and do it on a downhill bike later and post your time if its quicker, as they are two seperate stages. You don't want to post your time, as when you do it is locked in. Ryan has a system all set up to record time and then have a cumulative time for all the stages together. We will just upgrade the points as people finish a stage and record their time.

I was thinking starting may 21st, but the excitement makes me want to up it to May 7th, and have a stage every other week (Wednesday). And guys that can't make it have plenty of time to finish a stage.


The only other rule I am leary on would be the time it takes to complete the stage. I am thinking 1 month rather than the whole season. If you do miss a stage you still get 4 weeks to do it. My fear is someone may hold out posting a time for too long as they keep trying to better their time. I would like to see updated standings often and know they are at least quasi accurate rather than waiting to see if a guy who hasn't posted yet beats me.

If I can get out of my "tempurpedic" mattress, I'll subscribe to Rogaine, shed a few pounds, shave "TP" on the back of my hairy legs and go ... :shock: Are hand cranks allowed?

Seriously, this should be a lot of fun trying to out do as many TPer's as possible. I have a couple in mind for each descipline, in particular!

Am I correct to assume, we have the following entrants:

Brian Currier
Mark Gurney
Dan Oneill
PJ Lovely
Dana Waterman
Ken Wiley
Ryan O'brien
Tim Trotter
WTG- isn't that Jason from Claremont

How about Nathan Richer, any more cycledepoters?I am working on my wife, any others out there Brian Vincent? Erin Lovely? Avery?

I will keep up with the points system.


Start date: Early May......Start practicing your prologue.

PJ

I might play too... but I imagine that I'll get schooled on the cycling events.
Aww crap...that's all of them! If I can run it faster than I can bike it can I post that time instead?

Happy Trails,
-Adam

Heck, you will do fine. A few of us......well me, plan on getting in shape as we go, So start easy and finish strong. I bet you could run the coit climb faster than we could bike it, but thats about the only one.

Welcome aboard.

Hey Streak,

I'm accustomed to being at the back of the pack with these TP cyclists. Being a runner, converting to cycling about two years ago was difficult for me. The last stage event, I cleaned up the cellar, but where you'll fit in is left to be seen. At least we can push the pack and make it honest for everyone's efforts. Any way you look at it, its fun.

Welcome, Dana

If he wants to run the coit climb he should carry a bike with him. Maybe one of your twins would lend him a little one PJ.

[quote:e727bf6a15="Ryderjag"]Am I correct to assume, we have the following entrants:

Brian Currier
Mark Gurney
Dan Oneill
PJ Lovely
Dana Waterman
Ken Wiley
Ryan O'brien
Tim Trotter
WTG- isn't that Jason from Claremont

How about Nathan Richer, any more cycledepoters?I am working on my wife, any others out there Brian Vincent? Erin Lovely? Avery?

I will keep up with the points system.


Start date: Early May......Start practicing your prologue.

PJ[/quote:e727bf6a15]

Yep... Jason from Claremont

I'll see if any of the regulars on our group rides are interested. All stages to be completed on your regular Wednesday group ride? If so, I'll need to rework (not a problem) my normal group ride schedule so I don't get kicked out of my house... :lol:
 
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yes, there will group ride format on the Wednesday night rides. Every other week........starting May 13th. If you can't make it group ride night, you have the option to finish the stage on your own, and recording your time. I am sure I will have to miss a few, due to track and baseball, and like you pending divorce.


It would be great to have some others. We are working on prizes (beer) (helen's and Dan's cookies) (chicken wings for the heaviest particpant),ect.

From doing this a few years ago....we seemed to all have a better time when we did it together, even the time trial. We try to go off every 30 seconds in order of ability, so all are pushing a little harder than normal.

The group road rides you certainly want to try and make it for, as the peleton moves pretty fast and you can team up with guys of like ability to stay close to guys who attack. I learned the hard way and tried to keep up with some on a climb and ended up getting dropped just before the summit. I was in no man's land without energy to catch em, and noone to tuck behind to recover. Shortly a few guys caught me and I was able to latch on and finish with them.

PJ

pj

Prologue - 3.9 rolling hill time trial on Jobs Creek

This one may favor the weighted rider. The first couple of hills heading out of Georges Mills may set you back a bit, but once you get going on the roller coaster it easy to rocket from the down hill to the top of the next one.

I know the few times I rode it with Ryan, he always easily leaves me down the hills (not saying he's heavier than me), then he has enough to glide the crest of the next, on most of them. I have to draft him or peddle like .... to keep the same pace.

Just to give an idea of time frame, I rode it last year in 10:33.

To all those who might be fooled by Dana's modest demeaner, don't be... he is a dark horse to watch out for in this competition.

Last year he went under the radar and beat a lot of peoples times on some of those same stages, including mine, check out Local Loops to see some of the times posted for these stages.

I'm riding this year thou, NO WAY is Dana taking me down without a fight!

Jason as far as stage 4/5 I will do them both with the group on the same day but I expect the downhill to just be a trial run as it's tough to go all out when your brain is running low on oxygen from the climb. The runout from Coit downhill to the Pinnacle downhill includes about a 1/3 of a mile uphill, the first half of which is steeper (not steep), second half is closer to flat. There are parts you would be happy on a downhill bike, but I'm guessing the middle part wouldn't be one of them. Cross country with good travel is your best bet in my oppinion.

I want to say the code I wrote for the stage race automatically gives you until the end of the total Stage Race to complete all stages. I don't plan on changing the code.

Ryan

thanks ryan for clearing that up, code wise......if people forget to post we will get after them.


As far as the Coit downhill goes, we don't have a local loop for that, but my vision was from the Top of Coit till the tennis courts, any way. You do not have to go up to the Pinnacle. We want less pedaling and more true downhill. North boundary will be a prospective route but fear of going to fast and crashing will wear on that choice. Big Rock is quicker but takes longer to get too and is real steep at the beginning. South Boundary is a risky proposition but now its smooth and spits you right out on cheney for a fast finish. Lots of options with plenty of danger.


As long as we are betting on possible winners. It is probably time to start downplaying your chances in hopes you rise above your expectations.

I see Dana tried to peg us heavyweights as favorites in the opening prologue. I do remember quite an uphill on that route that will eat us big boys up.

The prologue will benefit the fit climber who can keep the pedals moving on the downhill. If 10:33 was your time, Dana. I expect a winning time to be in the high 9's. 9:30 would get you a 24.63 mph average, which would be very impressive on that route. I hope to sneak over 20 at 11:40, and be within 2 minutes of the leader and within 2 points.

I really don't dare to make any predictions; or at least ones I would post.
but would love to hear others thoughts.

I will see you out on the prologue course.

Early season observations

I have seen quite a bit of Gurney on the road this spring and he is stronger than at the end of last year. Consistent and strong climbing, for a light weight he is very very fast down hill. Not sure why maybe he is so damn skinny the wind does not impact him. Watch him on the last 1/3 to 1/4 of any climb, he gives an extra effort and usually drops whoever is with him.

I have been with Brian for a bunch of miles this spring too. Well, what can I say. He sucks this year. It will be very embarrassing to watch his pathetic efforts this summer. But I still expect he will put in repeated attracts and really press on the hills. I think He'll attack early on most of the longer stage races in an attempt to get us tired before the longer climbs.

I have only ridden with PJ once this spring but I have seen him on the road solo closet training a bunch. When we rode he was strong on the flats and fast on the down hills. Climbing on the long hills will be his challenge but he always has been a strong sprinter so shorter hills requiring hard efforts over a lesser distance is not a big detriment. If you pressure him on the hills you better be putting a big gap on because if you don't he'll eat you up on the other side. Unless he stops for a cookie or chicken wing he sees on the road.

Been out with Ken once and was pleasantly surprised at how fast he was with how little training on the bike he had put in. He is a sleeper, one of those guys that is much faster than he looks. I think few TP riders can take him in a straight up sprint. But he is young and easily tricked by more experienced (older) riders. Always challenge him to race to the next what ever or top of the hill, anything. He'll take the bait and get tired early. It may be your only chance to gap him towards the end of our longer stages.

I have only ridden with Dana in the woods once this year and this is not the Dana of years past. It's a new smaller and stronger version with a new bike. If he is able to keep the two wheels under him he'll be a threat to all of us.

I have not seen Ryan on a bike this season but I did see him on snowshoes a few times this winter and I have seen him running around Town. I think he should put wheels on the snowshoes, he is crazy fast on the those things and never gets tired. I am still recovering from a walk/run from last December. Really I am.


And finally me, about the same as last year feeling strong but heavier. I have noticed that I can have good efforts for quite a long period but when it's gone it's gone and recovery takes a while. I should do ok on the TT and stages that last around an hour.

The road loops won't be an issue as I can most likely drive those out to check out start finish points and all the of the "in the middle stuff". However... I've ridden at the Pinnacle all of maybe 3 times and have NO clue as to where any of these trails are / go... I'm going to have to get up there on foot and scout out the best possibe route down for stage 5 (not a problem, I'm actually looking forward to that!)

As for bike choice... I've got one of these on the way:
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5" of travel and sub 27 pounds... should be just fine... :lol:
 
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PJ, I was not thinking going back to the top of Pinnacle, just to the Pinnacle / Summer street intersection. People don't often ride that way on Summer from Coit, that's why I wanted to be clear to Jason that it is a hill, not a hard hill but a hill none the less and if you are slogging a heavy downhill machine, you won't be happy on the Coit downhill course because it includes some flats and uphills. Just wanted to be clear about that.

Ryan

Didn't I just finish my taxes yesterday...

It seems a bit early for all this talk about riding...

Nice bike WTG13. Can't wait to see it with some original stonewall engraving from the Pinnacle.
D